"The Suze Orman Problem: Scams, Shams
and Shenanigans"

A New Documentary Film Exposé

A labor of service for the public good

 

Play the full documentary here, or you can click here to play on YouTube

Watch Excerpted Clips of Orman's Prepaid Card Scam here or on YouTube

 

In this documentary, you will see how Suze used her undeserved trust and extreme influence to derail the 2008 economic stimulus and intentionally distort and damage the United States economy, resulting in more millions of dollars in her own pockets and headlines such as the Wall Street Journal's, "Crisis Makes Suze Orman a Star," and Time Magazine's, "Suze Orman: Queen of the Crisis." You will watch Orman lie through her teeth throughout the media landscape with a media wide fraud campaign that fooled mostly the poor and middle class to throw away their hard earned money on a predatory piece of plastic, filled with fee-laden land mines and many instances of losing people's entire accounts of money

You will watch as Suze created a huge fervor to buy gold in 2011 as she reaped big profits and left all those who took her advice to watch their investments disappear. You will watch as Orman distracts from the deadline of her prepaid debit card scam with a Change.org petition scam directed toward Senator Elizabeth Warren, who certainly knows better than to think the government should step in and tell a private company that they have to use completely irrelevant information to determine someone's credit history. It's a scam upon a scam, within a scam, also known as a Suze Orman con artist special.

This is an initial documentary, produced with a small production budget. Eventually, we may produce a more substantial version that will include interviews and personal stories from those who have been harmed and ripped off by Orman and her scams, along with other additional materials. There is also more tale to be told about the "Orman Cabal" CNN's Chris Cuomo referenced in the midst of one of what at least looks like Orman paying back Senator Warren for not properly investigating or prosecuting Orman for her scams -- a disappointing liaison for a senator who is otherwise known for supporting and protecting the poor

Even in the tip of the iceberg that is covered in this film, you will see why Suze Orman’s name should go down in history right next to Bernie Madoff's, except that while Madoff plundered the wealthy, Orman has slopped up and stolen a fortune directly from the pockets of the middle class and the poor, while causing damage to the economy of the United States of America.

With Suze now starting to perpetrate her financial scams on other countries, it is time for us to clean up these shenanigans and turn toward more trustworthy financial experts who, unlike Suze, have actual financial educations. It is time to choose non-sociopathic financial experts who don't sell the content of their advice to the highest bidder, but have helpful intentions to guide the most important decisions of people's lives at this important time in human history.

I invite educators, journalists, government agencies, and others to freely use this film and the additional information presented here to stop the Suze scams and to help guide our society into better choices.

 

Update: One more Suze Scam goes bust after plundering the public

The Suze Orman "Approved" card closed all accounts as of July 1, 2014, leaving many who fell for her debit card fraud unable to access their own money. But don't worry about Orman's overly stuffed coffers. "Suze Madoff" let The Daily Beast know that she had already made back the millions of dollars she invested in the card and then some, money she stole from the pockets of poor and middle class victims who were fooled by Orman's media wide fraud campaign into thinking that moving money from their banks onto Orman's prepaid card would improve their FICO scores.

Go Banking Rates: "Why Suze Orman’s Approved Card Will Soon Be Denied"

Beginning on July 1st, 2014, a whole lot of people who trusted Orman's fraud found themselves unable to access their own money to pay rent, buy food, medicine, gas, and other necessities, not to mention the stress of wondering if they will ever see the money they saved on the card again. If card users set up direct deposit from their employers, as the card encouraged users to do in order to avoid a few of the many fees, Orman's "Approved" card has been keeping some additional paychecks sent to them after they abruptly closed users' accounts in too short of a time for people to change their deposit choices. This woman's plight is just one example of the damage this card closing is surely causing to many lives who have already been victimized by the overall high fees and shoddy management of Orman's "Approved" card that they thought was going to improve their FICO scores:

This disabled vet is asking Senator Elizabeth Warren to help get his money back from the "Approved" Card, which already stole a lot of unnecessary fees from his limited income, due to Orman's successful media widespread fraud that convinced many that using her card were going to improve their FICO scores:

Unfortunately for that disabled vet who is asking Senator Warren for help in getting his stolen money back from Orman's card, Warren seems to be entangled in what Chris Cuomo recently called "The Orman Cabal," More on the Senator Warren/Orman Cabal part of the "Suze Orman Problem" here.

More than a month after Orman's card closed, users still have no idea if or when they'll get their money back, and Orman's strategy for dealing with the corrupt mess she created to steal from the poor and middle class has been to disappear without saying a word other than what her representatives are posting on social media on her behalf to pitch her show.

Not a peep from Orman to all the users who were fooled into buying and pouring their hard earned money into the fees and planned obsolescence mistakes of the card that generated a whole lot of those $2 customer service calls to Orman's incompetent call center in the Philippines, and who were just told by US Bank to spend all the money they'd placed on the card by July 1st.  As of August, still no word from Orman, who instead posted photos of herself and her partner in crime enjoying those fees and improper charges stolen from the poor and middle class on her luxury yacht vacation.


More than one month later, with card users still unable to access or receive refunds of their hard earned money, still not a peep from "Suze Madoff."

A letter to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (click to read)

Here's what Orman said to The Daily Beast in an article from November, 2013, less than six months before US Bank informed customers that the card was going to close:

While Orman was pitching her fraudulent frenzy throughout the media landscape in 2012, TransUnion also gave a cagey answer to one of the few Orman-friendly journalists about their little "experiment" with Orman's Approved card -- the very "experiment" she used to give a false impression that using her "Approved" card would improve users' FICO scores.

"TransUnion is committed to supporting Suze's efforts to understand the impact of pre-paid card use on an individual's credit health. Our goal is to help Suze understand whether including this data in a consumer's credit report would impact access to credit products." It doesn't say a word about being interested in the research themselves or about any interest in this information from FICO, rather TransUnion is "supporting Suze's efforts," and "helping Suze understand." That is a far cry from Orman's mediawide fraudulent claims that TransUnion and FICO were looking to see if her debit card can create a FICO score. See the scam?


This iCNN article by an unhappy "Approved" card user includes a frame showing the letter he received from US Bancorp, dated May 1st, stating that the card would be completely inoperable by July 1st, and encouraging users to spend all the money they have on the card by that date, which in some cases may be thousands of dollars these fraud victims placed in the card's Goal accounts. If anyone missed or misunderstood this single letter of notification, tough cookies for them; they'll have to wait until US Bancorp muddles through Orman's Approved card mess that has already lost many users' accounts to eventually, hopefully, send at least part of the users' money left on the card to them via check. 

The US Bancorp letter begins: "Our records indicate that you hold The Approved Prepaid MasterCard issued by The Bancorp Bank. This is a prepaid card and thereby not reported to any credit reporting agency (which is the main reason most card members got the card after being fooled by Orman's fraudulent mediawide scam)...This letter is to notify you that The Bancorp Bank will discontinue all services in connection with these Cards, effective July 1, 2014...Use remaining balances before July 1, 2014...we encourage you to bring your available balance to $0.00 prior to your expiration date. If you have any balances in your Goal Funds you will need to transfer the balances to your primary account..."  How many people will not understand or open the single letter from US Bank about the card closing and will simply find themselves unable to access any of their money, including whatever they had moved into the card's sections for long term savings as recommended by Orman herself? Sounds like there is a whole lot of room for those already victimized by Orman's high fee card to get fleeced a little more on the way out.

Here is an example from social media of how Orman's media blitz fraud fooled many viewers into believing that using her card was going to increase their FICO scores -- completely false information that these victims then spread to their family, friends, and followers, who then got onto the train to Approved card hell.


In stark contrast to Orman's wild headline blast through the mainstream media that fooled poor and middle class people into falling for her "Approved" card fraud, this card closure was done so quietly that there was not even a peep in any press about the closure, until I sent a Twitter message to New York Times finance journalist Ron Lieber, who wrote an article about it. Even if the closure has not been publicly announced, the "Approved" card is clearly closed; the links no longer work on its website, and customers have been complaining about their accounts being closed.

Now that the Senate's Consumer Protection panel has questioned Dr. Oz about his overly enthusiastic recommendations for some questionable weight loss products, it is time to clean up a much bigger Oprah protégé problem. If you think Senator Claire McCaskill, chair of the Senate's Consumer Protection panel, should be asking Orman, her "cabal," and those who are blocked from speaking up by Orman's ironclad confidentiality agreements, about all the millions of people who have been ripped off by her prepaid card and other scams, please send a message to Senator Claire McCaskill here:

 

 

Let's get one thing straight here. In spite of Orman's widespread media hype and outright lies, there was never a chance that her "Approved" card was going to do a single thing to help anyone's FICO score, certainly not in the first two years, and certainly never with the very limited information TransUnion was looking through about where card users spent their money, with no access to any other individual facts about users, since the information was anonymous. When asked about Orman's claims, FICO's spokesperson, obviously trying to be honest but gentle so as not to upset their biggest proponent (although Orman still took revenge on FICO a few months later), nevertheless told the Baltimore Sun, "In our (FICO's) experience, spending is not actually a great indicator of the thing that the FICO score tries to measure, which is the likelihood you're going to default on a credit bill."

It was all a big Suze Scam that fooled people into paying big fees and money from every transaction they conducted with the card, into Orman's pockets, with victims of her fraud actually paying to give their spending information to a corporation. Even usually savvy people were fooled into moving money from their banks onto Orman's card, certain that they had just heard her say that the card was going to increase their credit scores. You'll see "Suze Madoff's" latticework of claims and disclaimers about her "Approved" card that she repeated throughout the media landscape in both the full documentary film and the debit card fraud clips video.

The Fees on Orman's "Approved" Card

 

Beyond the Fees

As bad as these twenty fees listed in the card's fine print are, "Approved" card holders spent a whole lot more than that due to the gross sloppiness of Orman's card that charged improper fees at every turn.

The big bucks especially flowed into Orman's pockets from those $2 per call customer service calls, coupled with extremely incompetent card management that lost many users' accounts and charged a whole lot of inappropriate fees.

I found all those complaints from a few web searches, so you can imagine how many more examples of Approved card theft took place in the past 2 1/2 years, with a massive scam that was publicized by some of the world's favorite television shows. Where is a lawyer to file a class action lawsuit to question those involved and get these financially victimized people their hard earned money back?

 

Personally, I'm not as concerned about Orman receiving long overdue justice for her schemes as I am in stopping the continuing damage she causes on so many levels of society, due to her extreme, Oprah-bestowed influence. If Orman receiving proper justice for her fraudulent schemes would help to erase some of her previous damage, then I hope for that. Many have gone to prison for doing far less damage than "Suze Madoff" has done. I do think that the opportunity for a government agency to question the “Orman Cabal” and others who may currently be bound by confidentiality agreements would yield abundant facets that should also be cleaned up, for the good of the world.

Here is the response from Suze's spokeswoman, Jill Zuckman, managing director specializing in strategic communications for Hilary Rosen's SKDKnickerbocker, to questions by a finance journalist from Bloomberg about Orman's prepaid card scam, with not a shred of accurate information to refute their claims, because the whole "Approved" prepaid card is a case of greed-fueled smoke and mirrors:

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As for what TransUnion might be getting from this deal, aside from free access to a whole lot of personal spending data, "Mr. Consumer," Ed Dworsky points out, "If you only read the headlines about the free TransUnion credit score, report and credit monitoring benefit, you may miss the fact that the service is only free for the first year. After that, if you want to keep it, it is $143.40 a year."

Again, this $143.40 per year charge is for credit score information that can easily be accessed for free on sites such as Credit Karma, which also gives access to the other two main bureau scores, along with TransUnion, all 100% free. It won't take too many uneducated users of Suze's card trusting her enough to pay this ridiculous, completely unnecessary annual fee of $143.40 for Suze to plunder more big profits from the poor and uneducated for herself, US Bank, and TransUnion. It's a "scamducken": scams within scams, covered with scams.

In November 2013, Orman told The Daily Beast that her card broke even within a year and a half of launching, which means it has taken in millions of dollars of fees, lost paychecks and accounts, and a whole lot of those $2/call customer service calls -- fees that Orman stole directly from the pockets of the poor and middle class who were fooled by her media-wide fraud campaign. TransUnion also continued to obfuscate. Someone needs to question Orman, TransUnion, and FICO under oath!

From The Daily Beast, November 2013:

The "Orman Cabal" Spin Begins!

US Bank, who is closing Orman's card, has refused to give journalists any information about why it is closing, just as TransUnion has refused to give any details about their little pseudo "experiment" with Orman that fooled so many into pouring their hard earned dollars into the pit of her card. The spin coming from Orman's damage control PR experts, the same team who has been covering up the BP oil spill, is that the "Approved" card fees were so low, and that Orman was being so generous, that the card couldn't sustain itself. This is a load of baloney, even though New York Times journalist Ron Lieber spread the B.S. through this quote that has been requoted in many other articles: Says the New York Times, “Ms. Orman’s consumer-friendly tactics may have undermined the profitability of the venture, according to experts. At first, Ms. Orman had hoped to offer the card with no monthly fee at all, and it is possible that her customer-friendly $3 fee proved too low, given all the associated costs." Note that the expert he is quoting was the manager of another prepaid card (the Rush card), which had even larger monthly fees, but none of those scandalous $2 fees to call customer service that Orman made a bundle from. Maybe Mr. Lieber is afraid to take on "the Orman Cabal."


Click here to watch a May 2014 clip of CNN journalist Chris Cuomo bravely bringing up a need to take on the "Orman Cabal."

 

In his New York Times article about the card closing, Lieber -- who was the first journalist Orman went to when she launched the "Approved" card -- added many overly generous assumptions about all the good Orman wished she could have done, hoped to do, or was proud of wanting to do, using a supportive quote from the same "expert" Lieber quoted in his first article that introduced the card, the manager of another exploitative prepaid card. Since Orman did not respond to Lieber's or anyone else's requests for comment, he must have been assuming good faith to an extreme degree, especially since Lieber has seen this webpage and likely watched at least some of the documentary film -- he follows me on Twitter, where we have shared some direct messages. Even with his overly positive view of Orman's motives regarding her "Approved" card scam, the facts in Lieber's article point to some of the problems beneath the surface, including this: "It is unclear exactly why Ms. Orman’s venture is ending. A spokesman for Bancorp Bank, which ran the back-end systems for Approved, declined to comment, citing a policy of not making statements about its partners. Ms. Orman could not be reached for comment. The website for the card does not appear to have been updated recently, and as of Monday night, had no mention of the card’s status." Notice how similar US Bank's response is to the noncommittal response by her other partner in this scam, TransUnion:

Although I appreciated him giving me a tip of the hat, Mr. Lieber left off a mountain of facts that you can see quite clearly in this article and in the video above, where Lieber also has an interesting cameo, in which Orman insults him by mistake, forgetting that he is one of the"friendly" journalists whom she doesn't consider to be one of those "Suze haters" who "yap, yap, yap, right at my little feet" -- something you'll hear Orman say in this clip with sociopathic relish:

Click here to play the clip of Orman's interview with Arianna Huffington that Lieber is referring to, with other telling information that helps to explain why her card is such a mess.

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That exchange was from January 2012, when Orman was rolling out her prepaid debit card scam. While overly generous to Orman, Lieber's recent article about the "Approved" card closing did bring some facts to light:

"Suze Orman is quietly getting out of the payments business. Starting July 1, Ms. Orman’s Approved card, a prepaid debit card aimed at budget-challenged consumers, will no longer work, according to a letter from Bancorp Bank, her partner on the product. Bancorp is encouraging cardholders to spend all the money on their cards before that date. After that, it will send checks to people for any remaining balances. It is unclear exactly why Ms. Orman’s venture is ending. A spokesman for Bancorp Bank, which ran the back-end systems for Approved, declined to comment, citing a policy of not making statements about its partners. Ms. Orman could not be reached for comment. The website for the card does not appear to have been updated recently, and as of Monday night, had no mention of the card’s status."

One inaccuracy in his opening sentences is where Lieber calls the Approved card, "a prepaid debit card aimed at budget-challenged consumers." As you'll see repeatedly in the film, Orman was asking people from all walks of life to "join my People First Movement," and to leave their banks and move their money to the Approved card. You will see her tell John King that she envisions a world where all transactions take place on prepaid card -- i.e. hers.  Obviously Orman thinks the American public is easy to fool into anything, and her assumptions would likely have once again proved accurate if not for well over one hundred articles by finance journalists top to bottom, warning the public about Orman's prepaid card scam in 2012. Note that these warnings about Orman's fee-laden card and the FICO scam that went with it didn't take into account that Orman's card was going to be run in a completely slipshod and incompetent manner, losing people's accounts, charging extra fees, locking many people out of their accounts, and costing users a whole lot of those $2 phone calls to customer service.

But don't worry about Orman, she made her money back, plus more, and is enjoying spending all those fees on her luxury vacation, strategically taken just as the card closure was going to inevitably be discovered, with no way for any journalists or card users to contact her for an explanation.

Huffington Post, in which Arianna herself did a video interview that allowed Orman to fool and scam her readers (you'll see clips of this in the documentary, or you can view longer clips here) once again hosted space for damage control now that the card has stolen what it could from customers and is closing without giving anyone the credit score boost they were expecting. This Huffington Post article is written by someone who runs a website that recommends prepaid debit cards, which most financial experts describe as one of the worst financial products available, due to the unavoidable fees, even aside from the complete incompetence of Orman's card and the exploitative $2 fees to call customer service. The title of this ridiculous article is: "Suze Orman Nixes Her Prepaid Debit Card; It Appears Her Dream of Helping Millions to Establish and Build Credit Is Dead." A more accurate subtitle would have been, "Although Orman earned back all of her investment and more in fees plundered  and outright stolen from 'Approved' card users, it appears her dream of breaking the banking system and fooling millions more into moving their money to her fee-laden card is dead." This Huffington Post article is an example of how PR spin can turn a fraudulent money grab that stole millions of dollars from the poor and middle class and should have landed the perpetrator in prison into an altruistic disappointment.

Upstart Business Journal also joined the obfuscation spin, by actually writing an article titled, "Suze Orman prepaid debit card too good a deal?" that has already been republished and retweeted by other media outlets. This homage to Orman's good heart starts by saying, "You can't fault Suze Orman for trying to help people..."  The same publication, Upstart Business Journal, also appears in our larger presentation page section that shows how a negative article about Orman in Portfolio Conde Nast was rewritten three years later to appear to be positive, after Portfolio was bought by none other than Upstart Business Journal. Oh the shenanigans!  See the original and rewritten Portfolio and Upstart articles here.

Remember that "Saint Orman" didn't just endorse this card as most celebrities have with their prepaid cards; she created and owns it, and told the Daily Beast that the card broke even a year before it was closed. Because she herself created this shoddy card, a large percentage of the millions of dollars the "Approved" card has scammed and outright stolen from the poor and middle class in the past two and a half years went directly into Orman's already bloated pockets.  Of course, it is not anywhere close to the vision she describes in the documentary film where all of America is spending money only using fee-laden prepaid cards."

During the past two and a half years, every time her employees made a mistake, the result was more money in Suze Orman's bank; a con artist's dream come true, $2 for each call to straighten out problems when the card loses people's money. The card would also hold people's money for a long time and hold an additional 20% when people use the card at restaurants, and oh so many other "Approved" card twists and turns, after Orman repeated throughout the media landscape, "This card will only cost you $3 a month if you use it how I tell you to." Most people ripped off  by Orman's card were just quietly victimized, without posting about it online or knowing about other steps to take to get justice.

Orman and her partner in crime KT were probably hoping this fiasco would go under the radar as most of their other busted scams have, but if this "Bonnie and Clyde" team ends up being called to justice for their crimes, we just might see them disappear at sea. If you knew Suze, you'd know that is not outside the realm of possibility, especially given her repeated claims that by the end of 2014, she's going to close down her website and "go fishing."  Well, who knows.  Here they are boating around the Cayman Islands while the card was being closed -- the very place that some criminals go to hide their money from things like monetary judgments for fraud.

 

 

As one of Orman's recent business partners told me, all the information I've shared in this film and article is not even the tip of the iceberg of the Suze Orman problem, nevertheless it is a big chunk. This public service effort is not about whether Orman's advice about investing in stocks is good or bad, but about something more important and insidious that needs to be addressed for the good of humanity, not to mention the economy and the pocketbooks of the poor and middle class.

A journalist recently asked if I had a "bone to pick" with Suze Orman. My response: "I do have a bone to pick with anyone who is harming the country and people's lives, but am especially moved to act on it when I bear some personal responsibility for helping the person onto the public stage, in spite of clear indications of her severe personality issues that I mistakenly overlooked at that time."

As one of many who have been personally scammed and ripped off by Orman and her deceptive and depraved ways as she clawed her way to the top, it is easier for me to see her scams in progress when she fools and plunders the public.  Therefore, I have been moved by personal responsibility to use my skills as an author and filmmaker to make this information available as best I can.

 


 

 

I was a friend to Suze and helped to start her career at a time when she was unpublished, unknown, and deeply in debt. We had hundreds of hours of conversation during our two years of association, which ended right as Orman's first book was at the printer, with double thanks to me in the acknowledgments. The fact that Suze stole a lot of money from me and caused significant harm to my life, as she has done to many of her other associates, is not my motivation for creating this documentary and presentation. I want the best for everyone, however it is not possible for me to stand back and watch silently as Suze Orman rips damaging holes through the economy, through many people's lives, and through the fabric of society.

A wisdom quote that is generally attributed to the Sufi path says, "Before you speak, let your words pass through three gates: At the first gate, ask yourself, 'Is it true?' At the second, ask, 'is it necessary?' At the third gate, ask, 'Is it kind?'" What I am sharing in this film and article is truthful, is necessary, and of course it is kind for people who may avoid being fooled, conned, and harmed by Orman's scams and shenanigans. Speaking necessary truth can also be kind toward the person who is causing serious harm to the world, giving them a chance to repent and choose a better way.

I have many positive projects to work on, however this one has become important to address at this time. No matter how many times I've resisted speaking up about this matter, there would always be another Suze scam to remind me of the very real damage being caused by a serious problem I mistakenly helped to create, damage that I could possibly help curtail or stop by speaking up, regardless of how others might view me or the presentation. This exposé is also intended to be a gathering of evidence for journalists or government agencies who might like to take it from here. The video is free to play above or on YouTube.

Many have gone to prison for causing far less damage than Orman has caused just in the last two years with her blatantly fraudulent "Approved" prepaid debit card misinformation scam that has stolen millions of dollars from poor and middle class people who trusted Orman's snake oil pitches, insinuations, and outright lies that they saw on their favorite television shows. Social media exploded with fooled people telling their friends and relatives that using the "Approved" card was going to improve their FICO scores and "only" cost three dollars a month. In this documentary film, you will see Suze Orman blasting throughout the media landscape spreading false claims and insinuations that only a financial expert could see through, as she fooled millions of mostly poor and middle class people into pumping their hard earned money into her fee-laden prepaid debit card that was also filled with obviously planned obsolescence where every mistake by the card cost users big bucks in two dollar calls to the card's incompetent customer service that also in many cases misplaced users' accounts and took all of their money.

When a longtime con artist who has scammed her way up from waitress to "financial expert of the world" is supported by corporations, banks, billionaires, behind-the-scenes experts, ghost writers, and media figures who knowingly or unknowingly host and perpetrate Orman's scams, this is what society ends up with -- a shyster who has fooled and plundered the public and intentionally distorted the economy with a long list of shams and shenanigans over the past fifteen years.

Is this hard for you to believe? Watch the film and make up your own mind about this matter. The video is free to play on YouTube.

Imagine helping someone get invited to a party, in spite of the person showing troubling behaviors from the day you met, and then having to watch as she steals money from the pockets of everyone at the party, including the house owners, guests, and wait staff. Imagine knowing she is a fraud as she fools them with flattery and extravagant false promises, and charms them with uber-confidence and the techniques learned from many years of fooling and plundering people as a con artist from the South Side Chicago hood, as you'll hear Orman intriguingly brag in the film, "where all the murders take place, that's where I grew up, everybody." 

Imagine watching this scoundrel you helped gain entry to the party as she denigrates and brings down the level of discourse, watching as she bullies people, shouting and proclaiming what they must do, even though she has neither the personal nor professional credentials to be giving such advice. That is the regretful predicament I and others have been in for the past fifteen years, while watching Suze Orman use the public platform we helped her achieve to cause serious harm to individuals, the economy, and the fabric of society.

Since I produced the video that helped Orman get her first book deal after her proposal had already been turned down by over thirty publishers, it is my hope that producing this video with examples of the Suze Orman problem will help to stop the damage. Although Suze stole a lot of money and caused a lot of troubles for me after I spent two years helping her on to the public stage, this film and presentation are not a matter of revenge or unforgiveness. I forgive and surely would have all but forgotten, if not for seeing Orman cause continuous damage and feeling a sense of personal responsibility to speak up and share my experiences and observations.

Many have additional information and insights to bring to light regarding the Orman phenomenon; if the requirements of Suze's ironclad confidentiality agreements were to be released, more would be able to tell what they know.  One of Suze's recent partners did not sign an agreement in spite of daily pressure from her lawyers, and will hopefully be sharing his information in an upcoming book. Even an astrologer who saw this new documentary had some insights to share in a forum about how being deceitful to the public can be seen in Orman's chart, although the astrologer is wrong about Suze not caring about astrology; when I knew Suze, she was hopping from one astrologer and psychic to the next, and had quite the occult flair.


 

 

 

 


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